Comments on: The False Doctrine of Once Saved, Always Saved http://catholicrevelation.com/2009/11/once-saved-always-saved/ Defending the Church: The Pillar and Bulwark of the Truth - 1 Timothy 3:15 Sat, 24 Sep 2011 18:33:15 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Dina McNulty http://catholicrevelation.com/2009/11/once-saved-always-saved/comment-page-1/#comment-12045 Dina McNulty Sat, 24 Sep 2011 18:33:15 +0000 http://catholicrevelation.com/?p=195#comment-12045 The question is NOT were you ever saved, but once you are saved do you remain in God's good graces because you were once saved? St. Paul tells us that we are slaves to the one we obey, whether that be sin or righteousness. A man can receive grace through faith and then fall away at a later point in time depending upon who he decides to obey. Our free will to choose as we please is not taken away and our salvation secured just because we were once saved. We must always choose to cooperate with the free gift of grace if we plan on dying in God's grace and receiving Heaven. Venial sin does not wipe away our friendship with God, but mortal sin does, and just because we have once opened our hearts to Christ doesn't mean we can't completely close our hearts at another point in time to the grace we have received and cut ourselves off completely from Jesus. Scripture does indeed warn us of falling away. But, that is the good news, not the bad news as some would have us believe. For we are given the gift of being true partakers in God's divine life. We are not mere puppets, but have the will to choose to love God, and there is no limit to how much our faith and love can grow. We can do nothing apart from the grace of God, but we can pray for more faith, we can offer good works for the sake of Christ's kingdom, and these things can help our life in Christ to flourish. That is the good news. The question is NOT were you ever saved, but once you are saved do you remain in God’s good graces because you were once saved?

St. Paul tells us that we are slaves to the one we obey, whether that be sin or righteousness. A man can receive grace through faith and then fall away at a later point in time depending upon who he decides to obey. Our free will to choose as we please is not taken away and our salvation secured just because we were once saved. We must always choose to cooperate with the free gift of grace if we plan on dying in God’s grace and receiving Heaven. Venial sin does not wipe away our friendship with God, but mortal sin does, and just because we have once opened our hearts to Christ doesn’t mean we can’t completely close our hearts at another point in time to the grace we have received and cut ourselves off completely from Jesus. Scripture does indeed warn us of falling away. But, that is the good news, not the bad news as some would have us believe. For we are given the gift of being true partakers in God’s divine life. We are not mere puppets, but have the will to choose to love God, and there is no limit to how much our faith and love can grow. We can do nothing apart from the grace of God, but we can pray for more faith, we can offer good works for the sake of Christ’s kingdom, and these things can help our life in Christ to flourish. That is the good news.

]]> By: Servant of the Most High God http://catholicrevelation.com/2009/11/once-saved-always-saved/comment-page-1/#comment-12031 Servant of the Most High God Sat, 24 Sep 2011 10:51:49 +0000 http://catholicrevelation.com/?p=195#comment-12031 Yet and still there is no scripture that claims once saved always saved, the question is were you ever saved? If you continue to commit the same sins that you say Jesus saved you from then what were you saved from. Where is the new creature. Shall you continue in sin that grace may abound, God forbid. There will be a great falling away of whom I know not but if I had to imagine it would be those who think they are saved and continue to sin. If one continues in sin, why did Jesus die? Why would there have been a need for Jesus to die such a gruesome death if it is okay for one to continue to sin after they say that they are saved just because of God's grace? Shall one continue to take God's grace for granted? When will grace run out for those who continue to sin. Do not be like the pharisee and clean the outside of the cup while your insides are still filthy. Do not be one of lip service only and have no real committment in the heart towards Jesus. The enemy has filled many with deception and because of that there are many who say that they are saved yet they are still lost in sin. Whenever Jesus came in contact with anyone in the Bible there was a change in there life. If one said they are saved and had and encounter with Jesus, why has there not been a change in that life but they continue to sin? Lip Service or what? It is false doctrine to teach once saved always saved, that is not scriptural no matter how many scriptures you pull out neither of them say once saved always saved. He whom the Lord holds in his hand no man can pluck out, the question is are you in his hand if you are sinning? In the day that a righteous man sin all his righteousness will be forgotten and he will die in his sin. New creature or not, sinner, dressed up on the outside with no place to go, or just playing church? Remember that judgment will begin at the house of God, there are tares amongst the saints. Don't be the one to whom Jesus turns to and say depart from me ye worker of iniquity I know you not. Once saved always saved is doctrine of man and devils not doctrine of Christ Jesus. Yet and still there is no scripture that claims once saved always saved, the question is were you ever saved? If you continue to commit the same sins that you say Jesus saved you from then what were you saved from. Where is the new creature. Shall you continue in sin that grace may abound, God forbid. There will be a great falling away of whom I know not but if I had to imagine it would be those who think they are saved and continue to sin. If one continues in sin, why did Jesus die? Why would there have been a need for Jesus to die such a gruesome death if it is okay for one to continue to sin after they say that they are saved just because of God’s grace? Shall one continue to take God’s grace for granted? When will grace run out for those who continue to sin. Do not be like the pharisee and clean the outside of the cup while your insides are still filthy. Do not be one of lip service only and have no real committment in the heart towards Jesus. The enemy has filled many with deception and because of that there are many who say that they are saved yet they are still lost in sin. Whenever Jesus came in contact with anyone in the Bible there was a change in there life. If one said they are saved and had and encounter with Jesus, why has there not been a change in that life but they continue to sin? Lip Service or what? It is false doctrine to teach once saved always saved, that is not scriptural no matter how many scriptures you pull out neither of them say once saved always saved. He whom the Lord holds in his hand no man can pluck out, the question is are you in his hand if you are sinning? In the day that a righteous man sin all his righteousness will be forgotten and he will die in his sin. New creature or not, sinner, dressed up on the outside with no place to go, or just playing church? Remember that judgment will begin at the house of God, there are tares amongst the saints. Don’t be the one to whom Jesus turns to and say depart from me ye worker of iniquity I know you not. Once saved always saved is doctrine of man and devils not doctrine of Christ Jesus.

]]> By: Cheri http://catholicrevelation.com/2009/11/once-saved-always-saved/comment-page-1/#comment-4836 Cheri Tue, 22 Mar 2011 12:42:12 +0000 http://catholicrevelation.com/?p=195#comment-4836 A genuine profession of faith in Christ only comes through the Holy Spirit. The problem is, too many people are examining others and in turn trying to justify their own sins. There are many people who SAY and don't DO. Jesus was all over that topic! Rebuking the hypocrits, teaching about the fruit and the vine,Matthew 7 "there will be many who say "Lord, Lord, didn't we do this or that in YOUR name? He says depart from me you worker of lawlessness. Sheep really hear the voice of their Shepard and listen to Him! There is nothing that will snatch His sheep out of His hand. There are many sheep in disguise however. That is why it is so important to stay in His Word and seek Him. Jesus said if you love Me you will obey Me. We are judged by our love to Him, by Him alone who knows who we belong to. Reading 1John can help us know if we have this faith and eternal life in Him. We should continually work out our salvation with fear and trembling, knowing that everything He calls us to do is the best way. If we are His chosen He predestined before hand, He will bring us one way or another and it may be through severe chastisements. For every son God loves He chastises and disciplines. Don't you want to go His way? It's not always the easy way but He does give us His Spirit to fill us with His peace while we are going through those trials. In conclusion, don't ask yourself if you want to go to heaven but ask yourself whether or not you want to be with Jesus for all eternity. 1John 1:5 This is the message we have heard from Him and announce to you, that God is Light, and in Him there is no darkness at all. 6If we say that we have fellowship with Him and yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth; 7but if we walk in the Light as He Himself is in the Light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus His Son cleanses us from all sin. 8If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. A genuine profession of faith in Christ only comes through the Holy Spirit. The problem is, too many people are examining others and in turn trying to justify their own sins. There are many people who SAY and don’t DO. Jesus was all over that topic! Rebuking the hypocrits, teaching about the fruit and the vine,Matthew 7 “there will be many who say “Lord, Lord, didn’t we do this or that in YOUR name? He says depart from me you worker of lawlessness.

Sheep really hear the voice of their Shepard and listen to Him! There is nothing that will snatch His sheep out of His hand. There are many sheep in disguise however. That is why it is so important to stay in His Word and seek Him. Jesus said if you love Me you will obey Me. We are judged by our love to Him, by Him alone who knows who we belong to.

Reading 1John can help us know if we have this faith and eternal life in Him. We should continually work out our salvation with fear and trembling, knowing that everything He calls us to do is the best way. If we are His chosen He predestined before hand, He will bring us one way or another and it may be through severe chastisements. For every son God loves He chastises and disciplines. Don’t you want to go His way? It’s not always the easy way but He does give us His Spirit to fill us with His peace while we are going through those trials.

In conclusion, don’t ask yourself if you want to go to heaven but ask yourself whether or not you want to be with Jesus for all eternity.

1John 1:5 This is the message we have heard from Him and announce to you, that God is Light, and in Him there is no darkness at all.

6If we say that we have fellowship with Him and yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth;

7but if we walk in the Light as He Himself is in the Light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus His Son cleanses us from all sin.

8If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us.

9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

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